Civil Crisis in Infinite Comics

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Irrelevant Comics: maxasaurus: ... Should they do this every 10, 15 and 20 years with...

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Should they do this every 10, 15 and 20 years with major comics, then? Just a thought. If we’re gonna update things for modern audiences, then shouldn’t we do this continually? Because 20 years from now, our processes might be even better! We could update the colors again. Hell,…

Really interesting discussion about revising comics and other art. Read both sides, see what you agree/disagree with.

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Oh man, I fail at reblogging to a joined tumblr all the time so I cannot judge you. IT HAPPENS.

I was going off of this bit here:

I’m just asking you to please stop justifying your hateful outbursts by saying that you don’t have to respect those who don’t respect you. If you truly believe that, then you are part of the problem, not the solution.

where, unless I’m misunderstanding what’s being discussed, irrelevantcomics is claiming that critcizing someone who has just hated an “ambitious” female character for being a “skanky whore” by calling that person a “dipshit misogynist” is perpetuating the problem, which I completely disagree with. It’s harsh, maybe, but that kind of misogynist language is also harsh, and had clownyprincess moderated their words so as not to upset the person who perpetuated incredibly hurtful ideas, that would have been contributing to the problem a whole lot more.

I feel like I’m repeating myself a whole lot here. Hopefully it still makes sense?

It does make sense!

As per usual, followers, I have removed the upper portions of the conversation to save space: please look through the notes to find all the different paragraphs to follow the discussion. :)

Hmm, I understand the problem you have, now that you’ve highlighted that area. It’s strange - I do agree with Irrelevant about keeping hurtful words from responses, but I also agree with you that it’s problematic to try and force OTHERS to keep emotion out of their responses. So far I have not found a way to reconcile these two points of view. I think we’re on the same page re: the language in the original post was very bad, and very offensive. I think where our differences lie is that I would (if I hadn’t been zonked from writing a paper) engaged the OP in a message trying to explain the problems - but this is also because I knew the OP’s age, and I tend to give a bit more leeway to younger people because they haven’t learned the lessons a lot of us do through high school and university/college/seminars. It’s more my personal take-shit meter is a bit broader for what I will put up with, I suppose. I don’t mean to diminish anyone else’s experiences or silence them - I really do enjoy the discussions and educating I engage in. Otherwise I would be to paraphrase MJ all-out-of-fucks.

TL;DR I always appreciate your posts, think you’re awesome, we agree most times, please don’t hate me ;_;

I don’t hate you! Don’t worry! ahahaha I’m actually panicking a little right now, like I always do when I get into these discussions on Tumblr (Tumblr is so PUBLIC, oh god), and I was going “oh no I hope Letters doesn’t hate me now :/” so no worries there!

I see what you mean! I don’t know, I’d personally have reacted differently if I’d known her age as well (I’ve rambled at you before about what a jackass of a teenie I was a few years back, so you know I’ve been there, young and not knowing/caring about this stuff), but going off that nobody initially seemed to have known her age, I think it’s really unfair to say that reacting harshly contributes to the problem. Tumblr is, like I said above, so public that most reactions areinevitably going to be seen by a lot of people, and it’s going to get passed around. That’s kind of the point of Tumblr, you know?

I definitely get what you mean about your own personal take-shit metre, though. Mine’s pretty short these days, but I’d never fault anyone else for being able to deal with a lot more than I could before I snap. I think that @fyeahquestions shed some light on the situation when he mentioned that we’re dealing with reactions to triggers here. It’s just…kind of ridiculous to tell someone that they need to silence their reaction to a trigger, when that hypothetical trigger is something that perpetuates an -ism that could be hurting a whole lot of other people too.

This is a really long-winded way of saying “I think we’re saying the same thing and that both reactions are valid! Also, I’m very sorry if I made you feel that your reaction wasn’t valid, because that wasn’t my intention at all!”. And I always appreciate your posts and think you’re awesome too, fyi. <3

I don’t hate anyone! I’m mildly annoyed at one person on Tumblr, and he’s not even taking a public stance in this whole thing that I know of. Most people I follow have been really lovely about trying to talk this out, I just hate that we’re getting really divided and anger is building up. But I’m glad that I’ve sorted stuff out with you and batgirls, I feel much better knowing that I didn’t upset my TumblrFriends!

LoveLoveLove <3

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Oh man, I fail at reblogging to a joined tumblr all the time so I cannot judge you. IT HAPPENS.

I was going off of this bit here:

I’m just asking you to please stop justifying your hateful outbursts by saying that you don’t have to respect those who don’t respect you. If you truly believe that, then you are part of the problem, not the solution.

where, unless I’m misunderstanding what’s being discussed, irrelevantcomics is claiming that critcizing someone who has just hated an “ambitious” female character for being a “skanky whore” by calling that person a “dipshit misogynist” is perpetuating the problem, which I completely disagree with. It’s harsh, maybe, but that kind of misogynist language is also harsh, and had clownyprincess moderated their words so as not to upset the person who perpetuated incredibly hurtful ideas, that would have been contributing to the problem a whole lot more.

I feel like I’m repeating myself a whole lot here. Hopefully it still makes sense?

It does make sense!

As per usual, followers, I have removed the upper portions of the conversation to save space: please look through the notes to find all the different paragraphs to follow the discussion. :)

Hmm, I understand the problem you have, now that you’ve highlighted that area. It’s strange - I do agree with Irrelevant about keeping hurtful words from responses, but I also agree with you that it’s problematic to try and force OTHERS to keep emotion out of their responses. So far I have not found a way to reconcile these two points of view. I think we’re on the same page re: the language in the original post was very bad, and very offensive. I think where our differences lie is that I would (if I hadn’t been zonked from writing a paper) engaged the OP in a message trying to explain the problems - but this is also because I knew the OP’s age, and I tend to give a bit more leeway to younger people because they haven’t learned the lessons a lot of us do through high school and university/college/seminars. It’s more my personal take-shit meter is a bit broader for what I will put up with, I suppose. I don’t mean to diminish anyone else’s experiences or silence them - I really do enjoy the discussions and educating I engage in. Otherwise I would be to paraphrase MJ all-out-of-fucks.

TL;DR I always appreciate your posts, think you’re awesome, we agree most times, please don’t hate me ;_;

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Respectfully, I disagree.

Everyone should strive to be the best person they can be. It doesn’t mean you can’t be angry. It doesn’t mean you’re not allowed to voice your opinion. I’m not trying to police you or derail your argument. I’m just asking you to please stop…

Okay, and I respectfully disagree with the idea that refusing to respect someone who disrespects me makes me part of the problem. If you call me a cunt, I’m not going to respect you! If you call me a fat bitch, a dyke, any number of things, I’m not going to respect you. Why should I? You’ve just said something hurtful to me. Forcing myself to moderate my tone and my words when I respond to that is making me part of the problem; speaking frankly is not.

I think we just have two difference stances on how to approach these sort of things. I’m not hardwired to respond as emotionally as others, I try and process things logically. Sometimes I fail and go down the route of “NO. YOU STUPID. YOU MOVE.” but most of the time I try to take the engagement tactic and discussion. I think both routes are valid ways of dealing with something that offends and hurts. No one way is superior, they are just different. What I would like to see happen is not what you would like to see, etc.

…okay, I agree with that*, but that’s not what irrelevantcomics was saying. They were saying that the “logical” response is superior and that any other kind of response is part of the problem, when that’s blatantly untrue.

*To an extent, because I think we’re talking about different things here. There’s nothing wrong with trying to look at different nuances and intentions before responding. But when I actively silence myself, I am making myself part of the problem, and that is what posts like irrelevantcomics’s are telling me to do: silence myself.

Oh whoops. That’s not what I took from that, but maybe I wasn’t reading into the wording correctly. My bad! I’m just not very good with words this Tumblr crisis, apparently. I’m not trying to tone police anyone else, I only try to tone police myself. Does that make sense? That sounds dumb. *sigh*

EDIT: RAWRGABLARGH. I keep trying to keep it on this discussion Tumblr, but for some reason everything is going back to my default blog. Tumblr glitch? Or my own stupidity? BOTH? D:?

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Respectfully, I disagree.

Everyone should strive to be the best person they can be. It doesn’t mean you can’t be angry. It doesn’t mean you’re not allowed to voice your opinion. I’m not trying to police you or derail your argument. I’m just asking you to please stop…

Okay, and I respectfully disagree with the idea that refusing to respect someone who disrespects me makes me part of the problem. If you call me a cunt, I’m not going to respect you! If you call me a fat bitch, a dyke, any number of things, I’m not going to respect you. Why should I? You’ve just said something hurtful to me. Forcing myself to moderate my tone and my words when I respond to that is making me part of the problem; speaking frankly is not.

I think we just have two difference stances on how to approach these sort of things. I’m not hardwired to respond as emotionally as others, I try and process things logically. Sometimes I fail and go down the route of “NO. YOU STUPID. YOU MOVE.” but most of the time I try to take the engagement tactic and discussion. I think both routes are valid ways of dealing with something that offends and hurts. No one way is superior, they are just different. What I would like to see happen is not what you would like to see, etc.

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Being right doesn’t give you a license to act like a jerk or hurt those who hurt you. This is not about “policing tone.” It’s about not treating people like shit.

My dashboard is filled with these types of arguments lately:

“I don’t have to take people’s feelings into account when I tell them they hurt me.”

“It’s not my job to educate people.”

Respectfully, I disagree.

Everyone should strive to be the best person they can be. It doesn’t mean you can’t be angry. It doesn’t mean you’re not allowed to voice your opinion. I’m not trying to police you or derail your argument. I’m just asking you to please stop justifying your hateful outbursts by saying that you don’t have to respect those who don’t respect you. If you truly believe that, then you are part of the problem, not the solution.

As someone who is sensitive to hateful language, then your aim should be to rise above it, not sink down to its level. Lead by example.

You don’t have to be nice or gentle. Just don’t be a hateful insensitive prick.

I mostly always agree with Irrelevant. I think he’s taking over my brain.

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You know what’s lame? The stigma that nerds “can’t get laid.”

shelleysupergirl:

I’m bringing this up because a photo I posted (which was particularly ”nerdy”) was reblogged with a comment to the effect of “Well, someone’s never getting laid.”

I’m under the impression that this is complete bullshit.

I went searching for other blogs/essays to back me up, and instead I found a lot of websites with some pretty gross/bias info on the nerd-community. Many repeated facts are:

  • Most nerds don’t care about body image and being hot is what gets you laid.
  • Most nerds are too busy on the computer/involved with their fandom to even think about going after a guy/girl.
  • Most nerds are to socially awkward to approach a member of their desired sex.

What.

What.

Yeah. Instead of finding support, I found a lot of things that were disagreeable. There were even STUDIES on this. Scientific studies. 

Rage.

Yeah, this bugs me. I think of myself as a nerd, and WHOA also inclined to being laid. I mean I’m not Angelina Jolie, but I’m not like a Horta.*

*I’m sure the Horta is sexy in it’s own way.

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Georgethecat: Good grief.

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Damian is a hard character to like, I agree. And I like him! It does seem a bit like he’s been shoe-horned in and while he’s had some character development, it’s been to the detriment of others (Talia in particular).

A big problem I have with him in the Robin role is that…

Even as somebody who can like Damian in the hands of some writers, I disagree he’s a compelling character, really. Mostly he seems to appeal to people as a joke—he gets to say obnoxious things (cue laugh track) and not suffer any consequences. Likewise disobey orders or generally come out better as adults. And this is mostly down to his bloodline—the idea that his “training” explains any of it is nonsense because he’s so far shown more training than he’s had a lifetime to experience.

Which really doesn’t apply to Jason. Jason had to be much closer to an actual kid in that he didn’t know everything. He was allowed to look up to Bruce and Dick and his moments of anger were more understandable as moments of anger. If he did lash out at someone he wasn’t given the best lines to do it with—he was believably inarticulate for his age. Damian, again, is much more like a comic character who can be obnoxious and we’re just supposed to know that underneath he’s great and people grow to love him.

Writers who play that out often get criticized by fans of the Morrison version because Damian is no longer the Gary Stu of endless talents. That Damian has the instincts of a snob and no time for social niceties or relationships if they interfere with his noble mission—though he will recognize when someone else is also impressive on this front. Basically, he could just as easily be an adult. It’s almost the way Damian would like to see himself. Where as other writers, imo, write the other side of him that should exist, a lonely Billy No Friends who actually is hurt by the haunting knowledge that nobody likes him, but truly lacks the social skills to do anything about it.

Read what sistermagpie has to say about Damian. Particularly this: Where as other writers, imo, write the other side of him that should exist, a lonely Billy No Friends who actually is hurt by the haunting knowledge that nobody likes him, but truly lacks the social skills to do anything about it.

Now that’s compelling. 

I promised myself I wouldn’t weigh in on this topic, but I’m apparently not worthy of a green power ring. Honestly, I’m getting tired of people claiming that Morrison’s Damian is devoid of all depth. There is more than enough substantial character development proving otherwise in the Batman & Robin title alone. I’m going to try and back this point up with evidence.

Firstly, whilst it is true that Damian’s personality would work well as an adult character, the fact that he behaves this way despite being a 10 year old is what makes him endearing. He’s this odd little kid with a head that’s a bit too round saying lines that would sound ridiculous in a child’s voice. It’s meant to be preposterous – and just a tiny bit sad.

Secondly, please bear in mind that he was grown in a tank and fed all sorts of information through tubes and implants. He’s had nanomachines injected in his spine before, so it’s fair to expect that Talia could’ve done any number of things to him without us knowing. In this regard, saying that he has “shown more training than he’s had a lifetime to experience” is a little off. You can argue that his tank background is a deus ex machina for his skills, but the same could be said of the Lazarus pits for Ra’s - and readers really need to allow for a little suspension of disbelief when dealing with comics. Plus, tank training and combat expertise does not a vigilante make, especially since we’ve seen the downfall of his lack of field experience – namely getting his ass handed to him by Jason and several other bad guys they’ve come up against. And to prove that running off on his own won’t work, Morrison has Damian go out to fight Pyg alone. He nearly gets killed and it’s Dick who saves his life. He isn’t unbreakable and is not infallible. He’s just bad-ass enough to earn the right to be Robin, because without those skills he’d never be able to fit the role.

He gets to say obnoxious things (cue laugh track) and not suffer any consequences

But he does suffer consequences - mostly in the form of a large debt of bad feelings between him and his surrogate family. You also have to remember that despite arguing with him initially and misjudging his character, Damian has since come to respect Dick immensely to the point of worrying whether he’ll get to be around him once his father returns. If you need another example of his respect for him then there is this point later in the series. The “you’re not joking” seems particularly poignant here, in that it shows how flippant Dick is with him. He cares about him, sure, but not nearly as much as Damian cares for Dick. He is one of the only people that has ever shown him real care and affection and he ruined the start of their relationship by being a jackass. I believe that in continuing to tone down his undermining comments and backchat, Damian is gradually trying to apologize to him. It’s not as outright and obvious as it is with other authors, certainly, but it’s there. I believe, on a personal note, that the subtlety in Morrison’s characterization is a strength of his.

Speaking of consequences – you really think putting him down or letting him get hurt would work? In my mind the way that he has been treated is the best course of action. Dick has the patience not to rise to his stupid little quips and, on the rare occasion where he does yell at him, he quickly realizes that it doesn’t get through to Damian. It’s part of why Grayson does so well in the mentor role – he treats Damian’s petty assertions with just the level of seriousness they deserve, i.e. none. This is another major reason why Damian is shown to stop speaking this way so much as the series progresses, to the point where he rarely does that to Dick anymore. These days most of Damian’s best lines are talking down to enemies with an obvious glee, knowing that Grayson is standing behind him smiling a little at his jokes. That was always Robin’s role and it’s something he excels at and revels in. To remove his ego and overconfidence and replace it with pure obedience and vulnerability would destroy the character. The problems with sharing emotions aren’t just his upbringing either – it’s Wayne genetics, something which I feel other authors sometimes miss.

There are a ton of other discussions I could go into but I think I’ve probably already written enough to make my point. I’m sorry, but the assertion that Morrison intends that readers are “just supposed to know that underneath he’s great and people will grow to love him” is just. Plain. Wrong.

Sorry to my followers for the huge reblog and reply, but I had to get that off of my chest. It’s something that has been annoying me for quite some time. I don’t demand that everyone should suddenly adore Damian (he will never be to everyone’s tastes), but when people get their claws out and start criticizing the writing as unbalanced self-insertion, I tend to get ticked off.

Thank you. I agree completely.

I also commented at length here, with points that I think are relevant to the discussion, but it seems to have gone completely unnoticed.

Discussion points about the character Damian Wayne from the Batman line. Interesting perspectives, worth read. What do you think of Damian?

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Because I knew you: Do we need more friendships between young women in DC Comics?

dcwomenkickingass:

I was flipping through my Huntress mini yesterday and saw this:

It reminded me of something I’ve thought about on and off for awhile. Basically, this:

I don’t think any of the writers ever viewed them that way. But the relationships, and more importantly the reaction to them by young females, feel similar to me. And I feel it lot more than with say Batgirl and Huntress as shown above or with avowed Wicked fan Cyclone and Stargirl.

Why does it matter? I think the popularity of Stephanie and Cass and the popularity of Wicked both fulfill the desire for seeing strong friendships between women and, in particular, younger women. I think these relationships are a very important of getting more young female readers. But as I look at DC Comics today, I don’t see a strong substitute for what Cass and Stephanie had. Oh, there are the Birds and Power Girl and Terra but they are mostly older women (except for Terra).  Cassie had that kind of friendship with Cissie in the past, but she hasn’t really had a strong friendship in awhile. Cyclone and Stargirl are at a disadvantage simply because they are in a team book. At one point, I thought Misfit and Black Alice were going in that direction but Misfit appears M.I.A. and Black Alice has a home in the Secret Six. Perhaps in the new Teen Titan’s run there will be a focus on a close friendship for Cassie.

It appears that Steph and Wendy are on the path to friendship and that Wendy will play a larger role in Batgirl moving forward. I’m happy to see it but it given the relationship that Cass and Steph and the current status of Cass it will always feel a bit forced.

What do you think? Are there relationships that you like that I’ve overlooked? Do you see a parallel between Wicked and Steph/Cass? And do you feel there is a need for more strong friendships between the younger females in DC? Do you think Marvel does a better job?

Good discussion about relationships between young women in the DCU, I encourage you to head over to DCWomenKickingAss and participate! I love the parallels between Wicked and Steph/Cass.

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In case you were wondering…

comicreliefspeaks:

I’ve mentioned reacting strongly to images of beauty traditions many times here. I thought I’d articulate why they hit me so deeply. I promise I’m not just spouting things I read in a Women’s Studies class.

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While I don’t share this exact representation of being female, I understand the feelings and thoughts behind them. We’re all women (if we choose to identify that way) regardless of our grooming habits. Having shaved legs and waxed eyebrows doesn’t define who we are in any way! A very brave post about representation of femininity in comics by the ever wonderful Comic Relief.

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Supergirls Unite!

dcwomenkickingass:

Now here’s some things I like to see from Warner Brothers and DC Comics They have teamed up with five-time Olympic Medalist and World Champion Nastia Liukin and J.C. Penney for a line of clothing:

The Supergirl by Nastia collection features trend-right, affordable apparel that encourages a message of empowerment, creativity, strength, intelligence and independence—the symbolic attributes and S-Shield of Supergirl, the iconic DC Comics super heroine. The collection, created for today’s 4-12-year-old girls, will be available exclusively at JCPenney – in stores and on jcp.com … just in time for the back-to-school season.

Liukin be doing in mall appearances through August in Schaumburg, IL, Glendale, CA and Orlando, FL to promote the line.

Warner Brothers is doing its annual Supergirl Jam on August 22 in Venice Beach California. The event is described as the only large-scale, all-girls action sports competition and lifestyle/music festival. They also have a junior event the week before that’s targeted at younger girls. You can see some clips from previous events here.

So what do these clothes look like? They range from frilly pink tutus to some cool logo tee-shirts and gymnastic leotards.

You can see them all here but here are few examples:

This is exactly the kind of event that could be used to gain new female readers. I hope they are giving out copies of both Supergirl and Batgirl as part of the event. If anyone attends, I’d love to hear about it.

This is really cool!

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Getting More Female Comic Readers: Modest proposal #2 Batgirl, Batgirl, Batgirl

dcwomenkickingass:

If DC comics is seriously interested in gaining new female readers, particularly younger ones, this book may not be the key but it is damn close. Gail Simone has often said that Birds to Prey is an on-ramp into comics for women. I took that on-ramp and agree. I think that this version of Batgirl* can do the same thing for a younger female audience 10+

After Wonder Woman there is not a more recognizable female character then Batgirl. She appears on t-shirts, in video games; she’s in the animated series. And yes, this Batgirl is not that Batgirl but it doesn’t matter, the name is just a recognizable hook.  

Stephanie Brown as Batgirl is a character young girls will relate too. Much of the credit for this is due to Bryan Q. Miller took Steph, already a fan favorite with young female readers, and made her stronger. As I’ve said previously:

She’s not perfect, or polished or even very coordinated at times. She really is the “everywoman” as hero. And that’s the charm of the character. She’s constantly underestimated by others so it’s a delight to see her get off on herself for being competent and good. Her constant non-heroic banter (“crap!” is a favorite reaction) puts the reader on her side so we get a vicarious kick when she hits the mark.

The first trade of Batgirl was just released. If I were DC, I would launch a focused promotion on two groups - girls age 14 and under and their parents.

I would provide review copies to portals, publications and blogs that target girls and make a run at some of the mommy bloggers as well as some of the Geek Dad type sites (Geek Dad has actually already written about Steph).

I would pitch Batgirl to the younger audience as a young woman who goes to college by day and kicks butt a night. She has all the problems of teenager and she’s a superhero.

For the parents, I would pitch that there is a new Batgirl is in Gotham City, She’s a young college student and she’s being mentored by the original Batgirl, Barbara Gordon.

These are simple, easy to understand pitches that I think would resonate outside the traditional comics media.

One of the reasons I’m so high on Batgirl for girls has been the art by Lee Garbett. While other books offer lots of T&A both on their covers and inside the book, Batgirl offers a refreshing, appealing alternative. The art is lovely but not lascivious sure to appeal to younger women and parents.

Take a look at these panels where Barbara Gordon and Wendy are working out. They are wearing clothes that an average person would wear and there’s an absence of the cleavage that you see in other books.

Here’s some very interesting insight from Campatron who was commenting on my original post. She was talking about her work in a book department:

I talked with so many parents who were desperate to get their kids off the video games and reading something - anything. Or parents whose children had trouble reading and therefore did not want to read. I’d turn the kids on to series that featured either sequential art or lots of really awesome, descriptive illustrations, and it was so gratifying when they came back in for the next book in the series. We’re dealing with a generation of parents who grew up reading comic books, and they will let their kids read them, too. And we’re dealing with a generation of kids who are computer-literate at birth, so the potential for internet marketing tie-ins is enormous.

I’ve worked with kids and I think she is absolutely correct. Parents are looking to get their children reading. And her point about social media is right on as well. As part of this campaign to leverage Batgirl, I would recommend that DC create a micro-site, “I am Batgirl” and load it with downloads wallpaper, icons, etc. Throw in a free digital copy of an issues and a special offer price on a digital subscription to Batgirl. Facebook marketing would also be a part of the campaign - an official “fan” page as well as outreach to the already existing fan pages.

For all I know, DC maybe already doing these things. I hope so. I don’t think a campaign like this would cost much in either time or money. But if DC isn’t doing it that doesn’t mean you can’t do anything. If you are working with young girls, recommend the book. Request it at your library. If you have some extra money, donate a copy to your library. Review it on Amazon. If you know any middle-school teachers give them a heads up. It’s an on-ramp to building a new generation of female comic reader, it just needs the traffic.

*and yes I think this could have workd with Cass, too.

DC Women Kicking Ass continues to fight the good fight.

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DC Women Kicking Ass: Getting More Female Comic Readers: Modest proposal #2 Batgirl, Batgirl, Batgirl

veronicaeatslemons:

If DC comics is seriously interested in gaining new female readers, particularly younger ones, this book may not be the key but it is damn close. Gail Simone has often said that Birds to Prey is an on-ramp into comics for women. I took that on-ramp and agree. I think that this version of Batgirl*…

 I would just like to add my two cents as a huge Steph fan. This is not necessarily about the pitch but more about how Steph has impacted me as I am considered to be the “average teenage girl.”

Coming from a female who is still considered a teenager I agree with this pitch whole-heartedly and people who scoff, degrade, and put down Stephanie Brown I will never understand.

 We are all Stephanie Brown. We are all that klutzy, struggling, youthful person who is just trying to un-do our mistakes and right our wrongs. I think the new Batgirl run is a fantastic concept to be aimed towards young females. I first read Stephanie Brown as her character Spoiler when I was very young and I can recall that overwhelming sense of relatability. I was Stephanie Brown. My heart shattered when it came to her ‘death,’ and I am usually in refusal to discuss War Games. Anything to do with it remains at the bottom of one of my shelves and I have only ’read through’ her death once. I was fortunate enough to know what was going on and I wrote a few letters to DC expressing my level of frustration at the mistreatment by DC comics (as I am aware so many people did also, that is a phenominal cause in itself, anytime I meet someone who helped in getting the memorial for Steph, I am in awe of them.)

 Even through all the tribulations that her character has gone through she has still come out on top, taking up the cowl as Batgirl. That is incredibly inspirational and I hope that young girls can understand this and utilize it in their own life. Stephanie Brown has been pushed down, hurtled around, and all but had a house dropped on her as a character. But she is slowly building her way back up in the comic world and in our mindsets as readers. I think her story should not only be pitched to younger girls, but to all women, and to all people. We can all learn something from this phenominal woman who I’ve had the pleasure of getting to know for so many years. She is my silent teacher, constantly showing me that it’s okay to not be perfect.

I think it will be a great thing particularly for younger women because it does show them (and I am the example of this) that yeah, girls, it’s okay that you’ll never be a Wonder Woman or a Supergirl, but you could be a Stephanie Brown.

Batgirl is a book not only for young girls, but for women and people all over. It is the first I reccommend to people these days I hope it will be for many years to come.

Excellent mini-essay on Batgirl specifically Stephanie Brown and her effect on female comic readers. Give it a read through!

Notes

somekindofboywonder:

comics-discuss:

clownyprincess:

sequentialassassain:

comicreliefspeaks:

wicked-grin:

deense:

dcu:









Also, 

“but NOBODY gets “fat”, as we understand the term, just through being big boned.”

I’m not a doctor, but I’m fairly certain there are quite a few medical reasons someone could be overweight. Simply saying that it’s because they go to McDonald’s all the time is a lazy excuse to judge someone who is overweight. For all you know, those people could be eating as healthy as possible and simply be unable to lose the weight as part of a glandular condition, for instance. Just because you don’t mark off “fat” on a job aplication doesn’t mean that people aren’t “fat-phobic”. As far as I know, you don’t mark off “homosexual” or “person of colour” either, but there are certainly homophobic people and racist people. Not that I’ve ever seen an application that asks you for either your race or sexual preference as I’m sure that goes against equality legislation in a whole score of ways as secured by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I would be very suprised if many developed nations didn’t have similar laws.
I feel the language in your post will put off most people from having a “civil discussion” because frankly you come off extremely judgemental and kind of like a jerk, even if you prefaced it with “I’d really like to have a discussion”. I don’t want to “discuss” things with you, as a plus-sized woman I have a strong urge to punch you in the e-face right now.

I’m not a thin dude. I’m not at a size that most people would walk away from me in revulsion, but I’m not thin, either. I’d sure as hell like to be! 
I eat, more or less, very well. However, because of a metabolism change induced by a bunch of medications I was on when I went through puberty, it’s harder for me to lose weight than for some others.
That’s not an excuse. It’s a fact.
I almost never eat fast food anymore. I buy lots of organic things, and I eat more vegetables than people who knew me five years ago would have thought I ever would. I still drink soda, though I’ve cut drastically down. I still eat cake, but I do it in moderation.
I exercise, although it’s hard for me to do a lot of things because of past injuries. Admittedly, I should do so more often than I do, but you know. Whatevers, at least I’m doing it at all.
So am I CHOOSING to not be able to lose weight? Of course I’m not. I’m trying my damndest, and it’s very very hard for me, even with the effort.
So thank you, for defending people like me. Not all “fat” people CHOSE to be fat. That’s a bunch of bullshit. Some people probably made bad life choices, and bad nutritional choices (I sure haven’t made the best ones ever, and I’m the first to admit it). But there are many, many reasons that people are not thin, or do not lose weight, or *cannot* lose weight.
And for the record? Kudos to Fat Batman for having the balls to dress up and go hang out like that with a smile on his face, okay. 
Also for the record, that Supergirl cosplayer doesn’t make my day any better. For one, girls don’t do it for me and for two, I think she’s - GASP DARE I SAY IT - *too skinny*.

I completely understand your situation and am angry but not surprised that most people can&#8217;t think beyond &#8220;oh, that person is lazy&#8221;. It&#8217;s a part of our society that the image exists, unfortunately. Personal tastes may say that she&#8217;s &#8220;too skinny&#8221; but I prefer to just accept that people can be whichever size they are - thin, medium, large - and can be happy that way, ya know?

somekindofboywonder:

comics-discuss:

clownyprincess:

sequentialassassain:

comicreliefspeaks:

wicked-grin:

deense:

dcu:

Also, 

“but NOBODY gets “fat”, as we understand the term, just through being big boned.”

I’m not a doctor, but I’m fairly certain there are quite a few medical reasons someone could be overweight. Simply saying that it’s because they go to McDonald’s all the time is a lazy excuse to judge someone who is overweight. For all you know, those people could be eating as healthy as possible and simply be unable to lose the weight as part of a glandular condition, for instance.

Just because you don’t mark off “fat” on a job aplication doesn’t mean that people aren’t “fat-phobic”. As far as I know, you don’t mark off “homosexual” or “person of colour” either, but there are certainly homophobic people and racist people. Not that I’ve ever seen an application that asks you for either your race or sexual preference as I’m sure that goes against equality legislation in a whole score of ways as secured by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I would be very suprised if many developed nations didn’t have similar laws.

I feel the language in your post will put off most people from having a “civil discussion” because frankly you come off extremely judgemental and kind of like a jerk, even if you prefaced it with “I’d really like to have a discussion”. I don’t want to “discuss” things with you, as a plus-sized woman I have a strong urge to punch you in the e-face right now.

I’m not a thin dude. I’m not at a size that most people would walk away from me in revulsion, but I’m not thin, either. I’d sure as hell like to be! 

I eat, more or less, very well. However, because of a metabolism change induced by a bunch of medications I was on when I went through puberty, it’s harder for me to lose weight than for some others.

That’s not an excuse. It’s a fact.

I almost never eat fast food anymore. I buy lots of organic things, and I eat more vegetables than people who knew me five years ago would have thought I ever would. I still drink soda, though I’ve cut drastically down. I still eat cake, but I do it in moderation.

I exercise, although it’s hard for me to do a lot of things because of past injuries. Admittedly, I should do so more often than I do, but you know. Whatevers, at least I’m doing it at all.

So am I CHOOSING to not be able to lose weight? Of course I’m not. I’m trying my damndest, and it’s very very hard for me, even with the effort.

So thank you, for defending people like me. Not all “fat” people CHOSE to be fat. That’s a bunch of bullshit. Some people probably made bad life choices, and bad nutritional choices (I sure haven’t made the best ones ever, and I’m the first to admit it). But there are many, many reasons that people are not thin, or do not lose weight, or *cannot* lose weight.

And for the record? Kudos to Fat Batman for having the balls to dress up and go hang out like that with a smile on his face, okay. 

Also for the record, that Supergirl cosplayer doesn’t make my day any better. For one, girls don’t do it for me and for two, I think she’s - GASP DARE I SAY IT - *too skinny*.

I completely understand your situation and am angry but not surprised that most people can’t think beyond “oh, that person is lazy”. It’s a part of our society that the image exists, unfortunately. Personal tastes may say that she’s “too skinny” but I prefer to just accept that people can be whichever size they are - thin, medium, large - and can be happy that way, ya know?